{"id":39,"date":"2012-08-02T18:28:18","date_gmt":"2012-08-02T18:28:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/andyphoto.atug.com\/index.php\/fuji-x100-wide-angle-adapter-vs-new-sony-rx100\/"},"modified":"2026-10-22T23:49:38","modified_gmt":"2026-10-22T23:49:38","slug":"fuji-x100-wide-angle-adapter-vs-new-sony-rx100","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/andyphoto.atug.com\/index.php\/fuji-x100-wide-angle-adapter-vs-new-sony-rx100\/","title":{"rendered":"Fuji x100 wide angle adapter vs new Sony rx100"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve been recently musing over whether to buy the wide angle adapter <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2012\/05\/15\/Fujifilm-WCL-X100-wide-angle-converter-lens-firmware-v-1-3-0\" target=\"_blank\">WCl-X100<\/a> for my Fuji x100 thereby bringing the focal length down from 35mm to 28mm.<\/p>\n<div style=\"width: 430px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.bhphoto.com\/images\/images500x500\/Fujifilm_16260327_WCL_X100_Wide_Angle_Conversion_Lens_1337175328000_861782.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"420\" height=\"315\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Wide angle adapter WCl-X100 for the Fuji x100<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Its apparently a nice piece of glass which doesn&#8217;t alter the quality of the photos (yey) nor does it compromise the max aperture of f2.0 (yey). &#8220;It costs $350 &#8211; see a review <a href=\"http:\/\/www.daisukiphoto.com\/2012\/09\/review-fujifilm-wcl-x100-wide-angle.html\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<div style=\"width: 490px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/farm9.staticflickr.com\/8149\/7459582966_910795aa5f_z.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"480\" height=\"360\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">This it what the wide angle adapter lens looks like mounted on a x100 &#8211; make the camera less pocketable!<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Which presents a problem re putting it in a case and having it strapped to my belt. &#8220;With the wide angle adapter mounted, I wouldn&#8217;t be able to do that anymore.<\/p>\n<p>And that was the <em>whole point<\/em> of getting the x100 &#8211; something with a flat pancake lens that would fit in a camera bag attached to my belt.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Coming up with solutions to carrying an x100 with wide angle lens attached<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Well I guess I could use the wide angle adapter on special ocassions and forgoe the belt bag &#8211; but I would then need to do something like hang it around my neck or shoulders as I walk around.<\/p>\n<p>As I generally don&#8217;t like camera straps<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>they get tangled<\/li>\n<li>they mess with the simplicity of the camera<\/li>\n<li>they are hard to put on &#8211; leather bits and pieces and steel rings<\/li>\n<li>they are hard to remove &#8211; ditto &#8211; what about a quick release system <\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><!--more--><br \/>\nOne solution that avoids normal camera straps might be to buy into the special strap systems which attach to the camera&#8217;s tripod mount hole &#8211; like the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sun-sniper.com\/en\/sniper-strap-the-dph-double-plus-harness-steel-bear.html\">sun sniper<\/a>. These require a little adapter what screws into the tripod hole.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone\" title=\"sun sniper\" src=\"https:\/\/n4.sdlcdn.com\/imgs\/a\/a\/h\/PV_SS_Strp_ONE_NYFI_BearingScrew_Blk_M_3_2x-65430.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"372\" height=\"436\" \/><\/p>\n<p>You quick connect a strap to the ring on the widget and hang it upside down from your neck or whatever. To remove the strap you unscrew the widget from the tripod hole &#8211; fast and easy.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Cheap home grown solution<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>But these are expensive systems. &#8220;So I had a brain wave. &#8220;I <em>already<\/em> have something that screws into the tripod hole and which has a ring that I can quick hook a strap onto &#8211; my manfrotto quick release tripod plate:<\/p>\n<div style=\"width: 160px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/andyphoto.atug.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/manfrotto-200pl.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">manfrotto quick release tripod plate<\/p><\/div>\n<p>So my whole &#8216;free&#8217; solution looks like:<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_362\" style=\"width: 234px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/andyphoto.atug.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/fujix100upsidedown.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-362\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-362\" title=\"fujix100upsidedown\" src=\"https:\/\/andyphoto.atug.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/fujix100upsidedown-224x300.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"224\" height=\"300\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-362\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Fuji x100 hanging upside down using my home grown camera strap system.<\/p><\/div>\n<p><strong>On the other hand&#8230;<\/strong><\/p>\n<div style=\"width: 370px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/3.img-dpreview.com\/files\/p\/TS560x560~articles\/2412006970\/DSC_2461-ACR.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"360\" height=\"258\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">sony rx100<\/p><\/div>\n<p>But then I got to thinking that if I spent a bit more money ($699 or so) I could get a whole new camera, the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/previews\/sony-dsc-rx100\">Sony rx100<\/a> which does 28mm to 105mm, and which seems to be all the rage at the moment (as of July\/Aug 2012).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.stevehuffphoto.com\/2012\/07\/26\/the-sony-rx100-digital-camera-review-the-best-pocket-digital-compact-of-the-year-actually-ever\/\" target=\"_blank\">This<\/a> review claims the Sony rx100 is &#8220;the-best-pocket-digital-compact-of-the-year-actually-ever&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Whilst the image quality of the rx100 is apparently stunning (though it is a smaller sensor than the x100) I haven&#8217;t been able to see &#8220;the quality&#8221; in the online photos that I&#8217;ve viewed. &#8220;Hmmm. &#8220;Maybe I&#8217;m just spoiled by the gorgeous fuji x100 image quality. &#8220;I&#8217;m sure the rx100 wouldn&#8217;t disappoint &#8211; if only it was cheaper.<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps I&#8217;ll just wait for the dpreview.com review of the sony rx100 to make up my mind!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Update 18 August 2012 &#8211; tried the Sony rx100 in a shop!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I tried an rx100 in a camera store yesterday and compared it to my Fuji x100 (taking the same shots). &#8220;When comparing the shots at home I found the sony shots had quite aggressive noise reduction when examined closely. &#8220;The x100 on the other hand was clean and inspiring to look at &#8211; when examined at 100%.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Quick Fix to the aggressive noise reduction issue:<\/strong> On the other hand, when I resized the images from 20 to 12 megapixels (via a Lightroom 4 &#8220;export&#8221; into the same dir as the&#8217;original&#8217;and then re-sync the folder), the picture quality improved and I was sometimes wondering which photo was which&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>So it seems that&#8217;re sampling\/resizing&#8217;the photo is the trick to getting the more natural look out of the rx100, and avoiding the&#8217;artefacts&#8217;created by aggressive noise reduction. &#8220;I&#8217;m already dealing with 12 mp with my fuji x100 so resizing the rx100 down from 20 mp to say, 12 mp &#8211; in order to get better image quality &#8211; is not a big deal.<\/p>\n<p>I just wish I had more time with a rx100 to do more testing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Careful where you comment on&#8217;YouTube!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I posted a few comment re my findings relating to &#8216;aggressive noise reduction&#8217; under a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/all_comments?v=AdFFZcsNwlU&amp;ytsession=mCIv6ZctH2cCo9Dgi68S_Rl-FdicD6XmFTWTfh3SvJmfrFhNp6GhvUmSJlb_0_fqLvwUYhwGuFtx2y4ksxAAOLv2Tlmmji7BEQcrmKi1KLsKFTG91emfftIZNFUie0Z9vdOH187r6qVNJIrlHpUZbioGZFdKMXEd2kQQueayBe2Qs4yIy7dmssNs9Gkyf4ZcO0z5aJSYxKhflXYLyXvWinYC21Kkwmw22jwhkjXxebi7UAN7mCKq3_XUjUEbnr7YzLC7ogRVUobB0bbwVgognUqCdZRC-1h_-NAfLO3-fUW2JvyH2Dje1Dy5YspmDeQp5MALb9FoU-fby47Xb36gdtQAi3iWJulTGKcizIS02bUvnPHCAe5rUOclHmc75ZbWS5qYynX1Hgannf2hEaaf3BFczmpx5T4Ekezh1E5SKEJIKXJgK4StkoHToCLKwnP5Wu4dor4l3FtIC3IChKnGKhEeriUs76qez54f5gftcTUq0_ShqTFfJcVR4YXMJpANZdVZYxGW71fFGeIsx1eL-zMap2ZmcbtALnxtNmJCFAFDeCOjVxvxc3gAzqzqUbqejopMJUOLhLtJTeL8zhLF_gq5ELdvqw3_3hZV7fE5vv_yj1jU1tWiFA\" target=\"_blank\">youtube review of the rx100<\/a>&#8220;by local Australian &#8220;Blunty&#8221;. &#8220;My comments were removed \/ censored by Blunty for being too cursory and pixel-peeping (Blunty&#8217;s personal reply to me was filled with swear words and abuse, which I was tempted to post here but I thought better of it). &#8220;So I replied:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I wasn&#8217;t claiming anything definitive about the rx100 based on my quick tests, just posting an observation, hoping perhaps someone had some knowledge or feedback on the matter. I&#8217;m aware of all the good reviews and certainly the photos in your review were all excellent. Just wish I had more of a chance to test this camera in the field. &#8220;Not sure what is behind the censorship and aggression. I am a mature adult with many years of passionate photographic work behind me &#8211; not a forum kid.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I have no idea why Blunty reacted the way he did. &#8220;Perhaps he got offended that I was somehow challenging his glowing in-depth and thoughtful review of the camera, with a cheap shot. I certainly didn&#8217;t mean it that way.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m wondering whether I should maintain my subscription to his&#8217;YouTube&#8217;channel &#8211; I&#8217;ve always found his reviews good, so am loathe to unsubscribe over this incident &#8211; though I certainly won&#8217;t be posting any more comments there &#8211; way too dangerous!<\/p>\n<p><strong>Postscript on &#8216;rx100&#8217;aggressive noise reduction&#8217;?- 19th August 2012:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve since googled around and found several mentions of &#8216;aggressive noise reduction&#8217; regarding the rx100. &#8220;This makes me feel better because it means that I am not alone in my findings (cursory though they were &#8211; in a camera shop, looking out into a well lit, large food hall). Presumably all the following evidence was gathered from a wider variety of shooting conditions.<\/p>\n<p>The well regarded Luminous Landscape site <a href=\"http:\/\/www.luminous-landscape.com\/reviews\/cameras\/sony_rx100.shtml\">review of the sony rx100<\/a> says:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>JPGs appear to have <strong>overzealous noise reduction<\/strong> which strongly reduces resolution<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>You can see some sample photos in that review showing the problem. &#8220;As well as my earlier suggestion of resizing images down &#8211; Luminous Landscape&#8217;contend that RAW mode is another way of avoiding this problem.<\/p>\n<p>Other <a href=\"http:\/\/forums.dpreview.com\/forums\/readflat.asp?forum=1009&amp;message=42011710&amp;changemode=1\">forum posts<\/a>&#8220;I&#8217;ve seen lament the sony jpeg engine and its noise reduction algorithm:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;jpeg image quality turned out to be not satisfying for me. Yes, it&#8217;s better then any compact out there, but after Panasonic GH1, which is not even the best 4\/3 it&#8217;s hard to go back to anything less. RX100 images look decent when reduced in size, but even at base ISO they <strong>seem either unclean or over processed<\/strong>. I even tried just shooting in 10MP mode which helps.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>and<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I too am extremely dissapointed with the jpeg quality. <strong>Too much in camera noise reduction<\/strong>. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not being honest with themselves or just trying to justify the high price of this camera.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>and<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I also really like the LL site. <strong>Yes, there may be a Sony heavy hand in noise reduction<\/strong> at high ISO but they state there is no reason to use post processing for noise up to 800 and show how nice an ISO 3200 pic can be w\/ some PP.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.dslrphoto.com\/dslr\/sony-202-megapixels-cyber-shot-dsc-rx100-review-by-ap-with-rating-45,28410.html\">This article<\/a> states:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In general, JPEG compression is much more aggressive in compact cameras than in DSLRs. <strong>The RX100&#8217;s noise reduction and sharpening adjustments are more obvious<\/strong> than the colour adjustments in JPEG compression, especially at ISO 1600 and higher where detail is much more &#8216;mushy&#8217;. Therefore, in low light it is worthwhile shooting in raw format.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/sonydsc-rx100reviews.blogspot.com.au\/\">This review<\/a> states:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It&#8217;could be&#8217;good&#8217;if Sony&#8217;allowed&#8217;the&#8217;choice&#8217;to use <strong>less-aggressive noise reduction; at a pixel level, there&#8217;s some heavy processing going on<\/strong>, and&#8217;it really is&#8217;fairly&#8217;noticeable. You&#8217;will not&#8217;see this unless you print&#8217;large&#8217;prints at high ISOs, although, and&#8217;for those who&#8217;favor&#8217;this camera does shoot RAW so&#8217;you have got&#8217;the&#8217;option&#8217;of processing&#8217;oneself.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And <a href=\"http:\/\/camerashop-us.blogspot.com.au\/2012\/07\/sony-dsc-rx100-202-mp-exmor-cmos-sensor.html\">this post<\/a>&#8220;under the &#8216;cons&#8217; section:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>* A little<strong> over-aggressive noise reduction<\/strong>&#8220;&#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Pixel Peeping Political Correctness<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>So clearly I am not alone in my findings. &#8220;Perhaps we (all these reviews) are &#8220;pixel peepers &#8211; which is a &#8216;politically incorrect&#8217; thing to be doing? &#8220;Or is it that we are all simply taking a cold hard look at the technical merits and performance of a camera so that we understand it before we go out and do out photography. &#8220;We still go out and do art &#8211; just with greater knowledge of our tool. &#8220;For example, if I do get a rx100 I will now know to do one of<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>resize my images or<\/li>\n<li>shoot in raw<\/li>\n<li>tune down the in camera&#8217;jpeg noise reduction engine (if possible)<\/li>\n<li>not worry about it<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>in order to get the results I want.<\/p>\n<p>Its like when you get a new lens, you do take shots of brick walls, check for focussing problems, distortion, sharpness. &#8220;Once you are satisfied that the lens is not a dud, and you understand its limitations you move onto the next stage and go out and take photos. &#8220;Nothing wrong with that.<\/p>\n<p>Anyone who tells you that you should not pixel peep is just imposing their &#8216;political correctness&#8217; on you. &#8220;In a set of balanced photographic practices, pixel peeping is something we all do to a certain extent and as long as it doesn&#8217;t get out of hand, is a fine and sensible thing to do.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Rudeness in photographic forums<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>As for rudeness in photographic forums (and other internet contexts e.g. you tube comments) &#8211; there seems to be way too much aggression and plain childishness out there. &#8220;I&#8217;ve noticed it more in photography forums and circles. You hardly see it in software programming forums.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll let experts comment on this phenomenon. Though if I had to guess &#8211; its &#8220;a combination of:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Intolerance and impatience,<\/li>\n<li>Lack of basic manners, bring back old school manners, I say. A bit of&#8217;civilisation&#8217;has been lost these days.<\/li>\n<li>A lack of dedication to the principles of emitting good energy, tolerance and forgiveness,<\/li>\n<li>The inability to reason\/think clearly,<\/li>\n<li>People assuming way too much about another&#8217;s utterances re what is being said and re who that person is,<\/li>\n<li>Some sort of general frustration about the state of the world and its problems incl. economic and ecological frustration<\/li>\n<li>A General distancing from the reality of people due to communication through the internet being so abstract &#8211; most things would never be said in person with such rudeness<\/li>\n<li>A general coffee culture &#8211; people drink way too much of the stuff and it affects their patience. &#8220;Sounds silly but its a deep truth which nobody wants to acknowledge due to their addiction to the stuff. If you drink more than a cup of coffee a day &#8211; you may be affected.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Anyway, this post got rather long and off topic!<\/p>\n<p>cheers<br \/>\nAndy<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve been recently musing over whether to buy the wide angle adapter WCl-X100 for my Fuji x100 thereby bringing the focal length down from 35mm to 28mm. Its apparently a nice piece of glass which doesn&#8217;t alter the quality of the photos (yey) nor does it compromise the max aperture of f2.0 (yey). &#8220;It costs [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":0,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[11,10,9],"class_list":["post-39","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-fuji-x100","tag-home-grown","tag-sony-rx100","tag-x100"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/andyphoto.atug.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/andyphoto.atug.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/andyphoto.atug.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/andyphoto.atug.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=39"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/andyphoto.atug.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":50,"href":"https:\/\/andyphoto.atug.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39\/revisions\/50"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/andyphoto.atug.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=39"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/andyphoto.atug.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=39"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/andyphoto.atug.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=39"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}